Challenging Questions

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Help Us Get Bishop Lee Baker – OFF The AIR

Answer His 4 Questions and He is GONE

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I, Former Mormon Bishop Lee B. Baker, as of 10 February 2015, have prepared four (4) original and fundamental questions specific to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for your consideration and rebuttal.  If you publically answer each question with a clear, honest, reasonable and rational answer, I will end my Religious Ministry as well as my Missionary Outreach to the Mormon People, with all its associated activities.

These activities, which I will immediately terminate, include any and all negative or harmful communications to or about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, through any and all means of Communication to include any future Print, Radio, TV, Public Speaking or Internet interviews, comments or discussions.

Thank you again for your time and your thoughtful as well as your rational consideration of the following four questions:

Question One

As recorded within the History of the Church, Volume 2, Chapter 18, page 247 (see link below), as also within the Joseph Smith Jr. Papers (on lds.org) and the Official 1835 to 1876 version of the Doctrine and Covenants Section 101, Verse 4, (see link below), the Mormon Church clearly and boldly stated that they did not support, sanction or practice Polygamy.  The specific authorized Mormon Church statement in question is:

 “In asmuch as this church of Christ has been reproached with  the crime of fornication, and polygamy: we declare that we believe, that one man should have one wife; and one woman,  but one husband, except in case of death, when either is at  liberty to marry again.”

See: http://josephsmithpapers.org/paperSummary/statement-on-marriage-17-august-1835?p=1&highlight=statement%20on%20marriage#!/paperSummary/statement-on-marriage-17-august-1835&p=1

This false and very deceptive “Scripture” was used on many occasions by Elder John Taylor and others (according to his own journals) during his Mission in England to convert hundreds under the promise that the Church did not practice Polygamy, when in fact it did and he, himself, when making these statements had at least eight wives of his own.  This was certainly no printing error or publisher’s mistake, this was a supposed valid Mormon Doctrine freely given, multiple times to the Officers and Representatives of the United States Government, the various Magistrates of the Local and State Courts.  Additionally, this statement of obvious deception was instrumental in the conversion of hundreds of unsuspecting investigators of the Mormon Faith, but it was actually a bold lie.   How does this well documented and hideous lie of the Mormon Church fall within any standard of respectable Christian behavior or moral respect to those seeking the True will of God or in any way, a reflection of the core teachings of Jesus Christ?

http://josephsmithpapers.org/paperSummary/statement-on-marriage-17-august-1835?p=1&highlight=statement%20on%20marriage#!/paperSummary/statement-on-marriage-17-august-1835&p=1 and  https://www.lds.org/topics/plural-marriage-in-kirtland-and-nauvoo?lang=eng

Question Two

Joseph Smith Jr. (1805-1844) claimed to be a Prophet of God.  The Mormon Church declares that as an authorized Prophet of God, he, Joseph Smith Jr. accurately corrected thousands of errors in the Bible.  If this one correction in The Old Testament, the Book of Genesis, Chapter 17, Verse 11, is precise according to Joseph Smith Jr. and the Mormon Church, then it means that the Covenant of Circumcision from God was misunderstood by Abraham, or then incorrectly written by Moses and then it was done absolutely improperly for over 3,000 years by Every Prophet of God, and every Jewish Male that has ever lived, to include Jesus Christ Himself.  This critical mistake to the first and most significant of all Covenants between God and the Nation and Kingdom of Israel was, in the Mormon view; apparently done under the watchful eye of God Himself, who then chose to wait until 1834 to spiritually reveal to Joseph Smith Jr. the true and correct procedures of this, His First Covenant with His Chosen People, when it would have absolutely no consequence whatsoever and utterly no effect on any human being.   Or Joseph Smith Jr. Lied.  (See Attached Slide)

English Grammatical Note for Question Two

Provided here are examples of several other Joseph Smith Jr. Translations and his appropriate and logical use of a semicolon (;) with the phrase: “that thou mayest know” as in Genesis, Chapter 17, Verse 11.  These examples are shown to clarify the directly associated subject of two independent statements as used by Joseph Smith Jr. himself and then approved, published and canonized under a copyright of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Salt Lake City, Utah.

“On occasion, a writer may decide that the next sentence is so closely connected to the previous one that a slight break is more appropriate than a new sentence.  A semicolon can be used for this purpose.   Also see the use of a semicolon within a Compound Sentence.”   Merriam-Webster’s Guide to Punctuation and Style, 2001

This information is provided for those who may consider this, the Joseph Smith Jr. Translation to be somehow associated with the Ordinance of Baptism, as so noted within the LDS Footnotes and LDS Bible Dictionary.  This consideration is both absurd and unacceptable as we know that Joseph Smith Jr. had both the knowledge of English and the absolute ability as a “Prophet of God” to use the word “Baptism” within this imaginary correction and/or remove the word “Circumcision” if he so desired to at any time and in any way.  He did not, and the Mormon Church, Editors, Printers and the First Presidency of the Church have accepted this version of Joseph Smith Jr.’s correction for well over 150 years.  It should be noted that no change to Joseph Smith Jr.’s “Translation” of Genesis, Chapter 17, Verse 11 has ever been offered within any of the many successive printing, reprinting and editing of their own copyrighted Mormon Scriptures.  As such, I will only consider changes to this Inspired Translation by the Current Prophet of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, all others, myself included, must deal with it exactly as Joseph Smith Jr. himself has approved it.

  •  Ex 8:10: “And he said, Tomorrow. And he said, Be it according to thy word; that thou mayest know that there is none like unto the Lord our God.”
  •  Ex 9:14: “For I will at this time send all my plagues upon thine heart, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people; that thou mayest know that there is none like me in all the earth.”
  •  Ex 9:29: “And Moses said unto him, As soon as I am gone out of the city, I will spread abroad my hands unto the Lord; and the thunder shall cease, neither shall there be any more hail; that thou mayest know how that the earth is the Lord’s.”
  •  Ex 10:2: “And that thou mayest tell in the ears of thy son, and of thy son’s son, what things I have wrought in Egypt, and my signs which I have done among them; that ye may know how that I am the Lord.”

Question Three

The Book of Mormon, as the “Keystone” of the Mormon religion, contains very little in terms of how “Mormonism” is actually taught and practiced by the Mormon Church today.  Why is it that the Book of Mormon does not say anything about the current and foundational Mormon Practices, Beliefs or Doctrine?  How can this statement in the Book of Mormon, about the Book of Mormon be true: “The Book of Mormon is a volume of holy scripture comparable to the Bible.  It is a record of God’s dealings with ancient inhabitants of the Americas and contains the fulness of the everlasting gospel.”  How can the Book of Mormon be “the fulness of the everlasting gospel” if so many core Doctrines were added to the “Restored Gospel” that were not recorded or practiced within the Book of Mormon?  The central question is this, what would Mormonism really look like today, with just the teachings of the Book of Mormon or is it (the Book of Mormon) not honestly or functionally the “fulness of the everlasting gospel.”?

The Exclusive Doctrines of the Mormon Church

None of these Key Doctrines of Mormonism are found in the Book of Mormon.

Baptism for the Dead, Celestial or Eternal Marriage or Eternal Families, God was once a Man, Man can become a God, There are many Gods, God has a body of Flesh and Bones, The Father and the Son are Separate Beings, Terrestrial Kingdom – Telestial Kingdom – Celestial Kingdom, Polygamy is of God, Polyandry is of God, Lying is of God, Premortal Life or Pre-Existence with God, Heavenly Mother, Temple Covenants for the Living or the Dead.

The Exclusive Organization of the Mormon Church

None of these Key Elements of Mormonism are found in the Book of Mormon.

Name of the Church “Church of Christ”, Melchizedek Priesthood, Aaronic Priesthood, Church President, Stake President, Mission President, Temple President, Area Authorities, General Authorities, Bishop, Elders Quorum President, Priest’s Quorums, Ward Mission Leader, Relief Society Organization, Branch, Ward, Stakes, Home or Visiting Teaching, Primary, Young Men’s and Young Women’s Organizations, Fast Offering, or Tithing Settlement.

In view of the above list, how can the Book of Mormon be considered “the fulness of the everlasting gospel”.  In point-of-fact, the Book of Mormon clearly teaches against many of the essential Doctrines of the Mormon Church:

  • Instead of teaching that there are many gods, the Book of Mormon teaches that there is only one God: (Mosiah 15:1-5; Alma 11:28;29; 2 Nephi 31:21)
  • Instead of teaching that people evolve or progress to godhood, the Book of Mormon teaches that God is unchanging: (Mormon 9:9,19; Moroni 8:18; Alma 41:8; 3 Nephi 24:6)
  • Instead of teaching that God is a physical, exalted man, the Book of Mormon teaches that God is a spirit: (Alma 18:24-28; 22:9-11)
  • Both Joseph Smith Jr. and Brigham Young taught polygamy, despite the fact that the Book of Mormon condemned the practice: (Jacob 1:15; 2:23,24,27,31; 3:5; Mosiah 11:2,4; Ether 10:5,7)

Question Four

I have personally participated in several in-country Biblical Studies in Israel, Jerusalem and the West Bank.  Over time I became good friends with a noted Biblical Archeologist and Film Maker, Mr. Joel Kramer.  As the final question, I would ask that you rationally dispute the major assertions and conclusions of the following film by Mr. Kramer:

The Bible vs Joseph Smith

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7tyCH3rBtU

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=the+bible+vs+joseph+smith+video&&view=detail&mid=FBAC118C068C72BDC4BAFBAC118C068C72BDC4BA&rvsmid=FBAC118C068C72BDC4BAFBAC118C068C72BDC4BA&FORM=VDFSRV&fsscr=0

 

Very Sincerely and Respectfully,

Lee B. Baker

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